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there are issues with other countries like russia, but not just the two. the lines are really blurred in terms of where the state and capital and corporate interest begins for many countries. at the state department, we have really tried to create mechanisms through multilateral institutions like the oecd that has come up with a platform for competitive neutrality which looks at the different ways the government can act to subsidize or to give favor to their own state-owned or state run -- and provide recommendations for engaging in a platform of competitive neutrality. it's a different way of thinking about the challenges and it's something that is not just the u.s. they are concerned about. we have a lot of other countries out there that are similarly looking at rising powers, who are using tools that we don't necessarily have at our behest. the other thing is we have been working very closely with u.s. companies. we have had a lot more outreach over the past couple of years that we never had as a state department in terms of engaging with large media an
there are issues with other countries like russia, but not just the two. the lines are really blurred in terms of where the state and capital and corporate interest begins for many countries. at the state department, we have really tried to create mechanisms through multilateral institutions like the oecd that has come up with a platform for competitive neutrality which looks at the different ways the government can act to subsidize or to give favor to their own state-owned or state run -- and...
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the value of intelligence, importance of intelligence in the expenditures of resources by china, by russia, but others and look for them is one of the biggest is. well it's the u.s. not only national security secrets, the commercial seats as be of much of can be gleaned or stolen from cyberspace. it is a dire threat in part because we shifted so much attention, so much resource and the counterterrorism arena we've forgotten the necessity of old-fashioned counterintelligence and that's an important element of this. >> often i've heard some people involved in counterintelligence tends to be seen as the redheaded stepchild of the intelligence world. why is that when we need it and what is the cure for a? effect in part because it's something we don't want to think about. to think that our agencies and businesses have been penetrated by a foreign power, criminal organization and would rather think about how do we achieve that goal? a foreign-policy goal or profit objectives. but it's more fun. that is more positive and we are very positive nation. we can also be more disciplined about how we t
the value of intelligence, importance of intelligence in the expenditures of resources by china, by russia, but others and look for them is one of the biggest is. well it's the u.s. not only national security secrets, the commercial seats as be of much of can be gleaned or stolen from cyberspace. it is a dire threat in part because we shifted so much attention, so much resource and the counterterrorism arena we've forgotten the necessity of old-fashioned counterintelligence and that's an...
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iran, middle east, syria, north korea, china, and russia and so forth. i would imagine a considerably lower priority. eac n >> didew cuba policy wax and wae with each new administration? >> it did. the most fee roshes opposition was during the kennedy years. jack kennedy was really determined to cosomething about the cuba problem. he was obsessed. humiliated by castro at the bay of of pigs. was lyndon johnson came after kennedy, and his obsession was vietnam.pitously cuba. declined.r, subsequent presidents such as gerald ford, jimmy carter made serious efforts to acheech a, response with castro. quite the opposite what kennedy was doing.y comby has waxed and waned. it's been a different kind of priority over the fifty years e for ten or eleven american g presidents. >> onet theerer reverse side. it did they have good assets in the u.s.? has the castro regime tried to assassinate a u.s. president. >> i continue think that -- don't think that castro had a ai directns demand the assassinatin de plotri against the american t president. mo but i do describe i
iran, middle east, syria, north korea, china, and russia and so forth. i would imagine a considerably lower priority. eac n >> didew cuba policy wax and wae with each new administration? >> it did. the most fee roshes opposition was during the kennedy years. jack kennedy was really determined to cosomething about the cuba problem. he was obsessed. humiliated by castro at the bay of of pigs. was lyndon johnson came after kennedy, and his obsession was vietnam.pitously cuba....
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let me start out by saying, russia has not recovered terribly well. russia has reluctantly gone along with sanctions on iran. they were the last holdouts. and we watered down the sentient a to satisfy the russians and get a deal. the european union has tougher sanctions than we do. and they just passed more this past week. we lag behind them. and impact the administration took its time improving sanctions that were initiated either congress. but they were so determined to work the united nations, what, may, so they can say yes, we work with the missions. russians. by the way, the other thing russians, they're selling arms to iraq. you pull out of iraq so quickly, you don't negotiate a status of forces agreement. the president should been on the phone every day to that guy, maliki, and he did not have nearly a shia dictator. night have the russians selling to them, which is where we were in the 1970s when we used to worry about a soviet attack on iran who within our friends by iraq who were the russian friends. very interesting. syria, i am fascinated
let me start out by saying, russia has not recovered terribly well. russia has reluctantly gone along with sanctions on iran. they were the last holdouts. and we watered down the sentient a to satisfy the russians and get a deal. the european union has tougher sanctions than we do. and they just passed more this past week. we lag behind them. and impact the administration took its time improving sanctions that were initiated either congress. but they were so determined to work the united...
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and you move fast forward and we're going to have russia, the berlin wall came down. we will have benefits of that -- of the peace dividend. it was multiple stands. pick a stand. it became a challenge in terms of stability of government resources and the data we knew about this particular companies. move on forward, 9/11 happened. everyone of you remember is where you were on 9/11. i was on the steps of the pentagon. i literally walked out of the building that day and i was there for meeting and remember hearing on that gorgeous blue day and absolute eerie sound. like a plane had taken a wrong turn. lo and behold, the next thing i knew i was on the bottom stairs and i am thinking, how did i get from the top to bottom of the stairs? the plane hit the building. i did not know in where i was sitting at that point that two other planes had hit the world trade center. if you remember in a lot of our jobs, we have cnn or c-span drilling but we did not have it on and i was moving from one building to another. my first reaction, will have self preservation, was first and fore
and you move fast forward and we're going to have russia, the berlin wall came down. we will have benefits of that -- of the peace dividend. it was multiple stands. pick a stand. it became a challenge in terms of stability of government resources and the data we knew about this particular companies. move on forward, 9/11 happened. everyone of you remember is where you were on 9/11. i was on the steps of the pentagon. i literally walked out of the building that day and i was there for meeting...
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he called in from russia, right? this is sort of a no-brainer security measure, do you accept collect calls from russia? the correct answer is no. . the kind of low-level blocking and tackling that you're both talking about. >> most of the activity is still low level stuff and a lot of it is espionage, a lot of it is cybercrime. there are a number of countries in the world -- we think there are about 12 that are developing offensive capabilities. at least four of them don't like us, so we are in a situation where if they chose to use these weapons we could be badly damaged and i think that is the pearl harbor metaphor. there is of course no reason for china and russia to start a war with us. we aren't going to wake up -- vladimir putin isn't going to wake up and say one day america wants a cyberattack that's not going to happen. of the worrisome part and this came out in the incident is a lot of us thought iran as one of the countries pursuing capability. they were not very far along. they made faster progress than w
he called in from russia, right? this is sort of a no-brainer security measure, do you accept collect calls from russia? the correct answer is no. . the kind of low-level blocking and tackling that you're both talking about. >> most of the activity is still low level stuff and a lot of it is espionage, a lot of it is cybercrime. there are a number of countries in the world -- we think there are about 12 that are developing offensive capabilities. at least four of them don't like us, so we...
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moment to use the kind of zip sei -- diplomacy i think would be highly desirable top find buy to bring russia to work out a deal with us to find solution to go forward instead of saying no, no, no, and no again. so i think -- i just want to make the point that paula also made as wonderful as, you know, the modern tools are, the world will not allow us to get away with just tools. we will need to confront these situations, and i think the moment is here where it is overdue, it is extremely urgent to try to find a way that will end the killing in syria not only because it has canings for israel and other countries in indonesia, but because it sits, of course, a terrible negative example to others bad guys in this region and elsewhere who will be encouraged if they can get away with these types of behavior if we don't act. so i think this is a huge challenge that we need to face. and the solution is not a military solution. it's a smart one. >> we have to wrap up soon. to get the conference back on schedule. two more comments here and back there to get them in. >> thank you very much. [inaudible
moment to use the kind of zip sei -- diplomacy i think would be highly desirable top find buy to bring russia to work out a deal with us to find solution to go forward instead of saying no, no, no, and no again. so i think -- i just want to make the point that paula also made as wonderful as, you know, the modern tools are, the world will not allow us to get away with just tools. we will need to confront these situations, and i think the moment is here where it is overdue, it is extremely...
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-china-russia confrontation, such as the situation in gaza. a fourth, three way relationship among beijing, washington and taipei is positive and quiet, as quite has been over two decades. since that is the only issue on which there is any realistic prospect of armed conflict, that is no small thing. fifth, the territorial disputes in a south china sea and east china sea are in my view the most troubling development. the chinese confrontation with u.s. treaty allies principally with japan create serious tensions and introduce unpredictability into the u.s.-china relationship. as well as offering an image of china's rise that is unsettling to countries well beyond the concerned rivals. and, finally, military deployments on both sides, i will discuss those are since i believe jonathan pollack will do so in some depth in his presentation. so what should we expect and president obama's second sheet and in who champions first, in the relationship? i think the main variable in the relationship, in my view is china. president obama has had for years
-china-russia confrontation, such as the situation in gaza. a fourth, three way relationship among beijing, washington and taipei is positive and quiet, as quite has been over two decades. since that is the only issue on which there is any realistic prospect of armed conflict, that is no small thing. fifth, the territorial disputes in a south china sea and east china sea are in my view the most troubling development. the chinese confrontation with u.s. treaty allies principally with japan...
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russia is an ally of syria, assad's dictatorship, an armed supplier, trading partner with india. the russians answer to the f-35 is the t-50 and the russians are selling the t-50 to india. russia doesn't want to renew the 1990cto, the cooperative threat reduction program, an american financed program. they don't trust america anymore saying america shouldn't tell other countries what their moral values should be when newspaper stories prove we're lacking miranda rule values here in the united states. we have a real big problem going on worldwide, and we just have to completely stop and get into peace negotiations and talk about whose trading partners with who. >> the bills were reform, and none of those directly affect foreign policy because, i believe, that we need to clean house and tend to our own problems before we stick our nose into other people's problems, and the only thick that directly affects the war in syria is that you would have to obey the constitution as originally intended and amended and require congress to declare war on any country where we commit troops. >> g
russia is an ally of syria, assad's dictatorship, an armed supplier, trading partner with india. the russians answer to the f-35 is the t-50 and the russians are selling the t-50 to india. russia doesn't want to renew the 1990cto, the cooperative threat reduction program, an american financed program. they don't trust america anymore saying america shouldn't tell other countries what their moral values should be when newspaper stories prove we're lacking miranda rule values here in the united...
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we know that iran, russia and china are extremely active in probing our cyber systems, including those that control our critical infrastructure. not only our financial systems, our transportation systems, our water treatment plants, but also our electric grid. recently, we have seen what hurricane sandy, the superstorm, has done to states, so many states, destroying lives and property and leaving people without power for days on end. well, multiply that many times, mr. president, if it were a deliberate cyber attack that knocked out the electric grid along the entire east coast. that's what we're talking about. that is the kind of risk that calls us to act. we have heard from the experts over and over again that this vulnerability is huge and escalating. we know that the number of cyber attacks that have been reported to the department of homeland security has increased by 200% in just the last year. and those are just the -- the attacks that have been reported. that's just the tip of the iceberg. undoubtedly, there are many more on our critical infrastructure that have not been report
we know that iran, russia and china are extremely active in probing our cyber systems, including those that control our critical infrastructure. not only our financial systems, our transportation systems, our water treatment plants, but also our electric grid. recently, we have seen what hurricane sandy, the superstorm, has done to states, so many states, destroying lives and property and leaving people without power for days on end. well, multiply that many times, mr. president, if it were a...
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some of the other panelists touched on the events in a stone in 2007 during a dispute with russia -- estonia, and various banks and government institutions in estonia were hit with denial of service attacks. just to say, attacks that kept those institutions from at least running on the internet, capped their websites working, maybe disrupted their operations one way or another the interestingly in response to the estonia events, nato established a cybersecurity center of excellence in estonia in 2008, and they've been studying this from nader's perspective from a law of war perspective since then. recently published a very comprehensive treatise on the subject of law of war and cyber warfare. you see the same thing in georgia. press accounts suggesting that the russian government was behind cyberattacks that occurred contemporaneously prior to land forces going into georgia in 2008. and there are other examples like this, and is one of the panelists mentioned, as john mentioned in his introduction, even secretary panetta recently gave a speech, and according to press accounts officia
some of the other panelists touched on the events in a stone in 2007 during a dispute with russia -- estonia, and various banks and government institutions in estonia were hit with denial of service attacks. just to say, attacks that kept those institutions from at least running on the internet, capped their websites working, maybe disrupted their operations one way or another the interestingly in response to the estonia events, nato established a cybersecurity center of excellence in estonia...
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best based on one term commitment of the region be there beyond i had in mind, senator, first and, russia, china, all the calculus would be affected by a signing a bilateral security agreement. more importantly, signing an agreement reflecting well. >> i is and the others, i can't help it seems to me that they we have no continuing presence in iraq, nothing are warnings to what you were called for. which is to have a much smaller, me >> the leadership is that the afghan government is favorably disposed in a bilateral security agreement. clearly, the details both governments have come to both appear to be cautious and optimistic that we will be able to very. >> isn't keeping senator, i have i assessments my first question is do know what the command in that is interesting to me. a guy that's going to take over the command you had no impressions or ideas as to whether a troop drawdown issue between now and 2014? >> senator, have an understanding of framework in which that decision ought to be made. i certainly have identified the important burials that need to be made. i have not been invol
best based on one term commitment of the region be there beyond i had in mind, senator, first and, russia, china, all the calculus would be affected by a signing a bilateral security agreement. more importantly, signing an agreement reflecting well. >> i is and the others, i can't help it seems to me that they we have no continuing presence in iraq, nothing are warnings to what you were called for. which is to have a much smaller, me >> the leadership is that the afghan government...
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petersburg russia and two of the three boys died of alcoholism and survived charles francis and gave them some grand children so they doted over the grand children for quite awhile but most of the time they were very, very happy. you mentioned he was a grouch and occasionally he was. i really can't explain it. if you ask them what happened, in berlin the suffered a miscarriage and he was quite pale and the empress sector try putting on some will rouge. will she came downstairs with rouge on her face and john quincy brad her, put it on his lap and rubbed off. so they had spats from time to time and one time when they separated, not a legal separation but john quincy adams couldn't afford -- she was a senator to the summer in quincy and winter in philadelphia to go back and forth and back and forth all the time so one of them had to stay put. she decided to stay put in washington with the children so she could be near her mother and brothers and sisters. he went to quincy and was freezing cold one night and he wrote her a letter saying i know i can live without you, but on this cold fe
petersburg russia and two of the three boys died of alcoholism and survived charles francis and gave them some grand children so they doted over the grand children for quite awhile but most of the time they were very, very happy. you mentioned he was a grouch and occasionally he was. i really can't explain it. if you ask them what happened, in berlin the suffered a miscarriage and he was quite pale and the empress sector try putting on some will rouge. will she came downstairs with rouge on her...
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president karzai of afghanistan, prime min stir in italy, king ab dull la ii, and president putin of russia, and the president of spain. with that, i'll take your questions. >> jay, thanks. a couple questions about the scandal that many of us are now covering, one specific and them a bigger picture one. general al help, learning more about questions about him, and the pentagon investigation, alleged behavior. does the president have faith that general can continue to lead the war in afghanistan during this critical period of time while under investigation? >> i can tell you that the president thinks very highly of general allen and his service to the country as well as the job he's done in afghanistan. at the request of the secretary of defense, the president put on hold general allen's nomination as supreme allied commander of europe pending the investigation of general allen's conduct by the department of defense ig. the president remains focused on fully supporting our troops and partners in afghanistan that general allen led so ably for over a year. the president nominated general dunfo
president karzai of afghanistan, prime min stir in italy, king ab dull la ii, and president putin of russia, and the president of spain. with that, i'll take your questions. >> jay, thanks. a couple questions about the scandal that many of us are now covering, one specific and them a bigger picture one. general al help, learning more about questions about him, and the pentagon investigation, alleged behavior. does the president have faith that general can continue to lead the war in...
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moment to use the kind of diplomacy and that i think would be highly desirable to find a way to bring russia to work out a deal for us to say no, no, no i just want to make the point that as wonderful as all the modern tools are they will not allow us to just tools to consult the situations and i think the moment is here. it is over dewey and extremely urgent to try to find a way that will end the killing and syria not only because of israel and other countries in the region but because it sets a - example to other bad guys in the region and elsewhere who will be encouraged that they can get away with these types of behavior if we don't act so this is a huge challenge we have to face even is not a military solution, it is a smart diplomacy. >> we have to wrap up pretty soon but let me take two more comments from here and there. yes. >> thank you very much. my name is luis. i'm afraid i'm standing in for life defense secretary. i just want to make a point after having had a long period of being a diplomatic practitioner particularly in my part of the world in the china, asia, jakarta, they ha
moment to use the kind of diplomacy and that i think would be highly desirable to find a way to bring russia to work out a deal for us to say no, no, no i just want to make the point that as wonderful as all the modern tools are they will not allow us to just tools to consult the situations and i think the moment is here. it is over dewey and extremely urgent to try to find a way that will end the killing and syria not only because of israel and other countries in the region but because it sets...
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russia is an ally of syria assad dictatorship and trading partner with india. the russians answer to the f-35 is the t-50 and they are selling the t-50 to india. russia doesn't want to renew the 1990ctr the cooperative threat reprogram which is a american finance program. they don't trust america anymore and they america shouldn't be telling other countries what their moral value should be when newspapers stories prover that we're lacking more value here in the united states. so we have a real big problem going on worldwide, and we just have to completely stop and get in to peace negotiations and talk about who is trading partners with who. >> moderator: laurel laframboise? gll l laframboise government reform, health care reform, tax reform. none of those directly affect foreign possible because i believe that we need to complain house and tend to our own problems before we stick our nose in to other people's problems. the only thing that directly affected the war in syria you would have to 05 bait constitution as originally attended and require congress to dec
russia is an ally of syria assad dictatorship and trading partner with india. the russians answer to the f-35 is the t-50 and they are selling the t-50 to india. russia doesn't want to renew the 1990ctr the cooperative threat reprogram which is a american finance program. they don't trust america anymore and they america shouldn't be telling other countries what their moral value should be when newspapers stories prover that we're lacking more value here in the united states. so we have a real...
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we also invigorated regional security architect the region -- we brought in china, india, russia. i'm not the prime minister and the secretary of state would have go two or three times a year. we articulated we're going main tape the force level. we got off to a good start, but i can only say that we partially succeeded in the elevating the asia. the dynamism of the economy it was not as clear as it is today. and partly because the secretary of the president kept getting dragged back in to other issues. you asked about president's view. he thought asia was important. he was obviously an economic animal and realized the important of the trade and so on. but the first [inaudible] focused on the domestic economy which, by the way, a single most important thing you can do for the foreign policy. above all today. so and christopher spent a lot of time in asia went out secretary christopher to the region but he often would get -- bosnia crisis, we had somalia and haiti and other crisis and the middle east, and a lot we raised property file, indon't think we were able to succeed as certa
we also invigorated regional security architect the region -- we brought in china, india, russia. i'm not the prime minister and the secretary of state would have go two or three times a year. we articulated we're going main tape the force level. we got off to a good start, but i can only say that we partially succeeded in the elevating the asia. the dynamism of the economy it was not as clear as it is today. and partly because the secretary of the president kept getting dragged back in to...
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would help keep us reliant on foreign oil from -- let's just list the countries, madam president -- russia, venezuela, iraq, saudi arabia. i mentioned iran. it's poorly drafted and damaging to our security. instead, we have got an opportunity today to help our military and our country. this is how we move forward. this isn't about an environmental agenda or some kind of a green conspiracy. it's about doing the right thing, supporting our military brass and establishing a stronger national security and energy security posture in the years ahead. i urge my colleagues to support my amendment to strike section 313. mr. president, as i conclude, i would ask for unanimous consent that senators gillibrand and tom udall be added to my amendment, number 2985 to s. 3254. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. udall: thank you, mr. president. i would yield the floor to my colleague from oklahoma. mr. inhofe: it's my understanding the senator has a timing thing which he would like to have five minutes before my time begins. that's acceptable. first i would look to ask unanimous consent that cap
would help keep us reliant on foreign oil from -- let's just list the countries, madam president -- russia, venezuela, iraq, saudi arabia. i mentioned iran. it's poorly drafted and damaging to our security. instead, we have got an opportunity today to help our military and our country. this is how we move forward. this isn't about an environmental agenda or some kind of a green conspiracy. it's about doing the right thing, supporting our military brass and establishing a stronger national...
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in new members for the current congress who ran in special elections and later this week trade with russia and mull doe v.a. the house has a public hearing later this week on the libya attack, and house republican leaders will also be going to the white house on friday. house democratic leader nancy pelosi joins steve israel to introduce a new house democrat, new house democrats who were elected this month. these members will take office in january, and c-span is scheduled to cover this briefing live at 2 eastern right after the house gavels out. >> c-span invites middle and high school students to send a message to the president through a short video. let president obama know what's the most important issue he should consider in 2013 for a chance to win the grand prize of $5,000. c-span's student cam video competition is open to students grades 6-12, and the deadline is january 18, 2013. go online to studentcam.org. >> what i like about c pan's coverage is -- c-span's coverage is it's in depth. often times you'll cover an event from start to finish, and i can get the information that i ne
in new members for the current congress who ran in special elections and later this week trade with russia and mull doe v.a. the house has a public hearing later this week on the libya attack, and house republican leaders will also be going to the white house on friday. house democratic leader nancy pelosi joins steve israel to introduce a new house democrat, new house democrats who were elected this month. these members will take office in january, and c-span is scheduled to cover this...
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intelligence, the importance of intelligence and you look at the expenditures and the resources by china, by russia, by others -- >> uh-huh.. >> -- and what for them is one of their biggest concerns? well, it's the u.s. and not only national security secrets, but increasingly commercial secrets. much of that which can be gleaned or stolen from cyberspace. and it's a dire threat. and i think that in part because so much of our intention, so much of our resources were spent in the counterterrorism arena, we've forgotten the necessity of old-fashioned counterintelligence. and that's an important element of this. a big one. >> often i've heard some people have been involved in counterintelligence say it tends to be seen as a little bit of the red-headed stepchild in the intelligence world. >> uh-huh. >> why is it that when we need it, and what's the cure for it? >> i think in part because it's something we don't want to think about. it's very unpleasant to think that our agencies or our businesses have been penetrated by a foreign power, by a criminal organization, and we'd rather think about, well, ho
intelligence, the importance of intelligence and you look at the expenditures and the resources by china, by russia, by others -- >> uh-huh.. >> -- and what for them is one of their biggest concerns? well, it's the u.s. and not only national security secrets, but increasingly commercial secrets. much of that which can be gleaned or stolen from cyberspace. and it's a dire threat. and i think that in part because so much of our intention, so much of our resources were spent in the...
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this year usaid was booted out of russia. initially when they went there to help the russian people one of the first things they did was the help of the russians in extreme poverty. my question is, is the risks too much for us so that we would basically go and help some nation and then they would say thank you and don't let the door hit you on the way out? >> first of all, in the indonesian case, part of that is just cultural. they are far more sensitive to the question of faith than we are, so it's not infrequent that we would behave in a way that doesn't take into account their cultural sensitivity. but this happens all the time in life. i think you have to ask yourself what is the right thing to do, and you try and do it. if you make your very best effort and someone is appreciative, you didn't do anything wrong. don't worry about it. sometimes that happens. i wouldn't hesitate to help people because someone related to a recipient that they weren't helped by their own kind. so i would want to help. >> if i could at somethi
this year usaid was booted out of russia. initially when they went there to help the russian people one of the first things they did was the help of the russians in extreme poverty. my question is, is the risks too much for us so that we would basically go and help some nation and then they would say thank you and don't let the door hit you on the way out? >> first of all, in the indonesian case, part of that is just cultural. they are far more sensitive to the question of faith than we...
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i also think the other capitals, iran, russia, china, all the countries that have interest in afghanistan. their calculus would be affected by signing a bilateral security agreement. more important, signing an agreement reflecting the commitment that was initially made in may 2012. >> i think it's a very important answer, and i have the same feeling, i think islamabad is the first couple that we affected by the pilots who could agreement, the whole argument refer to that part of the reason they continue to be tied to some elements of the pakistani government to terrorist groups like haqqani network and haqqani network and i is eyes, as they're hedging their bets for what happened the day after we leave if we're not leaving. presumably. they lose that argument. but there is, every situation is different, i can't help but relate this to iraq, that it seemed to me that nobody wanted our discussions with the iraqi government for our presence in iraq after our troops left to fail more than iran did. in fact, they were working on that, and the fact that it did fail, we have no continuing presen
i also think the other capitals, iran, russia, china, all the countries that have interest in afghanistan. their calculus would be affected by signing a bilateral security agreement. more important, signing an agreement reflecting the commitment that was initially made in may 2012. >> i think it's a very important answer, and i have the same feeling, i think islamabad is the first couple that we affected by the pilots who could agreement, the whole argument refer to that part of the...